The Peter Hyatt Show: Story Telling and Tiffany Hartley: Guests Susan Murphy Milano and Denny Griffin: Sunday December 12, 2010 at 6:00 PM EST

The Peter Hyatt Show continues coverage on the missing person case of David Hartley who vanished without a trace on September 30, 2010.  And the Statement Analysis of Tiffany Hartley the new media spokesperson and cover girl for increased border patrol. 

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Tiffany Hartley and Narco Graves - By Peter Hyatt

Mexican army reports 'narcograve' in Nueva Ciudad Guerrero

Recently VALLEYCENTRAL.COM posted the article on "narcograve" where drug dealers, in endless competition, murder one another in order to consolidate power and control in the Mexican based drug trade; especially into the United States.

Some will take the article as "proof" that Tiffany Hartley is telling the truth, and that they were in the wrong place in the wrong time.

Others will say that since David and Tiffany lived in Mexico and had connections, had she wanted to be rid of her husband, this would be an obvious choice; let one murder get mixed into a hotbed of constant murders.

Still others will say that if David and Tiffany Hartley conspired together to defraud insurance benefits for profit, this is the perfect place to pull it off: right where many bodies go missing.

What isn't credible is the story Tiffany Young Hartley has told media:

That she and David sat down and "discussed" the danger of kidnappers and murderers yet still risked their lives to get a picture of a building, and that they flew through a hail of bullets, with David "taking a bullet" for Tiffany, while she emerged with not a single nick on her or the jet ski she rode in upon.

To read the rest of the story written by Statement Analyst and Investigator Peter Hyatt go to the link here: http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/12/tiffany-hartley-and-narco-graves.html


Susan Murphy Milano is with the Institute for Relational Harm Reduction and Public Pathology Education. She is an expert on intimate partner violence and homicide crimes. For more information visithttp://www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com/ She is the author of "Time's Up A Guide on How to Leave and Survive Abusive and Stalking Relationships," available for purchase at the Institute, Amazon.com and wherever books are sold.


Susan is the host of The Susan Murphy Milano Show, "Time's Up!" on Here Women Talk http://www.herewomentalk.com/ and is a regular contributor to the nationally syndicated The Roth Show with Dr. Laurie Roth http://www.therothshow.com/ ]

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Tonight's show with Peter Hyatt on The Skelton children and the missing person's case of David Hartley.  Peter is an Investigator and an expert on Statement analysis, also called "statement validity assessment", "content analysis", "investigative discourse analysis", and "scientific content analysis" is a technique that can be used to detect concealed information, missing information, and whether the information that person has provided is true or false. Peter Hyatt's blog is http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com

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The three missing Skelton boys, from left: Alexander, 7, Andrew, 9, and Tanner, 5.

Why The Roth Show

With the numerous talk radio shows airing on radio stations and on the Internet, why listen to The Roth Show? If you are tired of the same old talk radio shows that fail to thoroughly examine and investigate critical issues facing our nation because they promote a specific political agenda, then The Roth Show is for you.  Are you weary of talk show hosts who claim to be hard hitting, yet are disappointed when they fail to address the deeper issues that endanger the freedom of every American?

For more on the case follow the links below:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/12/tiffany-hartleys-last-moments-with.html
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/12/tiffany-hartley-call-to-action-part-3.html
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/11/tiffanys-next-appearance.html
http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/tiffany-hartley-call-to-action-part-2.html
http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/tiffany-hartley-no-investigation-part-1.html
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/10/is-tiffany-hartleys-telling-truth-body.html

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/10/on-land-or-by-water.html

http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/tiffany-hartley-murder-in-mexico.html

http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/tiffany-hartley-murder-mexican-borders.html

[Susan Murphy Milano is with the Institute for Relational Harm Reduction and Public Pathology Education. She is an expert on intimate partner violence and homicide crimes. For more information visithttp://www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com/  She is the author of "Time's Up A Guide on How to Leave and Survive Abusive and Stalking Relationships," available for purchase at the Institute, Amazon.com and wherever books are sold.  Susan is the host of The Susan Murphy Milano Show, "Time's Up!" on Here Women Talk http://www.herewomentalk.com/ and is a regular contributor to the nationally syndicated The Roth Show with Dr. Laurie Roth  http://www.therothshow.com/) ]

Tiffany Hartley: A Call To Action: Part 2

by Susan Murphy Milano and Peter Hyatt


On part one here yesterday, we challenged the media to ask some important questions including treating this woman, Tiffany Young-Hartley as at the very least a person of interest.

We have been encouraged by the responses to a call to action thus far, and encourage any journalist who treasures the word "investigative" with their title, to respond.

Levi Page is one such journalist who has committed himself to justice; though not always in step with popular media hosts, he has refused to turn a deaf ear to the obvious and join in calling Tiffany Hartley "courageous" or a "voice" for America. He will continue to cover the case, also seeking justice for David Hartley and his family, on The Levi Page Show on BlogTalk Radio.

Journalists, with dogged determination, can dig and dig until the truth, no matter what it is, is uncovered.

But what of law enforcement?
If a man drove up on a jet ski and called 911 to report that his wife had been gunned down by Mexican "pirates", and he told a tale where he portrayed himself as a hero, even in the face of an onslaught of bullets hailing all around him, but finally, reluctantly, and with the voice of God, was forced to abandon his wife, would a sheriff have simply taken his word for it?

Had he said, "don't bother to search, my wife's on the Mexican side", would law enforcement simply said, "ok, case closed"?

Would Sheriff Gonzalez take one look at him, untouched by bullets (and without a single nick on his jet ski) and said, "I can tell he is an honest man. No need for a polygraph."?

What if he said that ruthless drug cartels "decided" after killing his wife, to just let him go? Would that not raise an eyebrow or two?

How about afterwards: let's say this same man, a day or two later, contacted media and went from talk show to talk show: Would his words matter to you?

What if he announced that his wife was the love of his life, but it was time to move on?

What if he said he knew his wife would have wanted him to see the world, do some serious Black Friday shopping, and "live the life" a month after her murder?

Sheriff Gonzalez, would you feel a bit queasy on this one?What if the same man declined any call for justice for his slain wife, but only wanted her body back.

Would you still be able to retain the respect of your deputies even after ignoring this blaring red flag and all the others?

Sheriff Gonzalez, it is time to think about your actions.

What did Gonzalez have to gain by taking Tiffany's word that her husband's body is on the "Mexico" side; even though they were racing as fast as the jet ski could take them (60mph?) towards home? Was there a sort of marker in the water in which Tiffany could see the demarcation? Would any law enforcement personnel in the country just take a person's word for it, without verification?


For law enforcement here is what must be investigated.


There is an insurance policy within the company David Hartley was employed.

Law enforcement 101: check with human resource people within CalFrac Well Services to see if she inquired as to what they need for a pay-out. Go back 6 months and ask some questions.

And it might also include a double indemnity clause as an insurance benefit provision or addendum. Tiffany Hartley likely is the sole beneficiary. This information is not public record and must be obtained from the company in which he was employed. It is easy enough to get: investigative subpoena will do the trick. Separately check also with the policy holder directly for any communication prior to David Hartley vanishing.


Cell phone records: both those of David and Tiffany Hartley. She also likely used his phone at different times. Also check on the computer activity used from the cell phone and go back as far as 9 months of activity. It is likely you will not see much activity 30 days before David vanished; but go back a bit further. This was not random, but showed planning and alibi building at least a month earlier,likely many months.

Next: Cell phone usage after David vanished.

If his cell phone was in the truck that day and it was a company phone was it returned to the company was it used? Cell tower activity on all phones especially 4 weeks prior to the date she left the area. Current cell phone activity should be investigated.

We still haven't left Investigation 101.

Journalists, are you listening?

Ever hear of the Freedom of Information Act?

Do you want to hear the complete 911 call? Did Tiffany have you at "hello", even though you have read the FBI's own litmus test for guilty homicide callers? Do you still wish to refer to her as "cute"?

Obtain computer activity from David’s computer and Tiffany’s computer. Subpoena email activity records from the Internet carrier. Search for records must include google map activity and skype connect calls (that is often missed in intimate partner crimes.)

Tiffany was employed, but where? Check her computer activity at her place of employment. Also if there is a library where the couple lived or Internet access at a local cafe it should be checked.
David Ramsey- Tiffany sought the assistant of radio and financial expert Dave Ramsey and she met him in person. Also Tiffany thanked Dave Ramsey for his advice. The couple was obviously lived past their means if they went to Dave Ramsey. I would investigate if the jet skis were owned free and clear or did they owe money on them. In an interview, ask Tiffany to explain what "the life" means to her?

You may be surprised at just how much she reveals.

Obtain the registration of both jet skis and put out an alert for the missing skis.

How about a reward?

Investigate which jet skis Tiffany actually has, hers or David’s. Place a stolen warrant in the system for the missing jet skis it is likely it could turn up. Place the warrant for the skis in both Mexico and the United States. The one Tiffany returned to tell her story was indeed registered to David M. Hartley (this information was obtained from the police stop earlier on the video dash cam as it showed the back of the trailer where they were transporting skis.)

Investigate friends of Tiffany Hartley at her work and David’s in the area or other wives whose husbands worked for CalFrac Well Services. I would check both English and non English employees spouses. If she spoke Spanish fluently Tiffany may have kept that quiet.

Investigate any Western Union activity within 60 days of David vanishing. Unusual charges to credit cards both she and David Hartley’s. Federal express records of ingoing and outgoing packages need to be reviewed through the time she left, especially in Mexico.

This is not complicated. It is long, boring arduous work.

It is also something that investigators love.

Why?

Because it is often the tiny, overlooked detail that brings out the truth.

Had a man emerged from Falcon Lake sans wife claiming to have been in a hail of bullets with not a single one of them hitting him or his jet ski, yet scoring a perfect head shot on his wife,

would law enforcement and media turned a deaf ear, and a blind eye, to justice for the missing? 

It is time.

In part 3, if more journalists will not step up and law enforcement will continue to shrug their collective shoulders, then it shall be time for the public to take some action.


Peter Hyatt is an Investigator and an expert on Statement analysis, also called "statement validity assessment", "content analysis", "investigative discourse analysis", and "scientific content analysis" is a technique that can be used to detect concealed information, missing information, and whether the information that person has provided is true or false. Peter Hyatt's blog is http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com


[Susan Murphy Milano is with the Institute for Relational Harm Reduction and Public Pathology Education. She is an expert on intimate partner violence and homicide crimes. For more information visit http://www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com/  She is the author of "Time's Up A Guide on How to Leave and Survive Abusive and Stalking Relationships," available for purchase at the Institute, Amazon.com and wherever books are sold.  Susan is the host of The Susan Murphy Milano Show, "Time's Up!" on Here Women Talk http://www.herewomentalk.com/ and is a regular contributor to the nationally syndicated The Roth Show with Dr. Laurie Roth  http://www.therothshow.com/) ]

Tiffany Hartley: Murder & Mexican Borders in Real Time

Everyone from CNN to NBC's Todays Show has interviewed Tiffany Hartley, 29, the young woman  now widowed after she and her husband jet skied on the waters of Mexico along the border just 6 weeks ago. She has been tagged "courageous" and a "hero" by the media for her actions in saving her life and being able to talk about it afterwards.  Killer's are always the masters at painting the canvas. 

David Hartley's body, jet ski, life vest and camera vanished the day this woman returned to tell the world her story.  For me, this tragedy is no different than others who are involved, or ultimately arrested in intimate partner homicide, or who are suspects and persons of interest.  In my opinion, working for over 20 years on these cases, the real tragedy is the truth and how the media is presenting this story all because the person responsible is a woman.

I know what you are thinking; this beautiful girl nextdoor  is not capable of killing anyone.   Afterall, she and David were high school sweethearts who married and traveled the world together as if they were joined at the hip.  That is the perception, but, it is not reality. It is what Tiffany Hartley wants the world to believe.

First, Tiffany Hartley returned unscathed.  Under the circumstances, as she told her story (they are 2 or 3 versions ) she would have never escaped alive.  Tiffany herself would have been taken by the so called pirates or drug cartel, then held hostage, and when they were finished sharing her among the other men she would have been sold to the sex slave trade in another country.  That is a fact.

Another fact is the "pirate" or drug boats can out run a jet ski.  Tiffany looked fairly calm, no blood anywhere on her own vest, hair or face.  As a matter of fact, she was in pretty good condition as she gave her live on air interviews.  She said she jumped in the water to save her husband; that is not possible.  Tiffany had nothing under her feet on the water for balance to even do this and she weighs 100 lbs against a man that is double that weight, now dead weight, not possible to be turned over. David was outfitted with a life vest and he wouldn't dare get in the water with bad equipment so how could he have been face down in the water?  Maybe he was never in the water in the first place?  No one saw the couple together, it is possible, all we have is her account.

Then we have the person who called the 911 operater after Tiffany ran up to him. The person called into CNN to give their account again.  Wow, amazing it does not add up.  If the caller is in so much fear why does he bother calling to give an interview?  Does the caller even have television service or reception?  Is the caller a faithful follower of CNN to know to even call into the show?

CNN CALLER:
It was my second weekly round. I usually make one. And I was just checking out the property, making sure my plants get enough water and what have you, when I noticed there was this boat behind a jet ski. I was, like I said, watering the plants when I see this jet ski start coming towards me. I noticed the boat behind it turned around and left the area. And as that boat gets closer, I can see the lady in distress looking back over her shoulders, and she looked frantic, sobbing. And she asked me -- the first words out of her mouth were like, "Can you speak English?"


And I nodded while I said, "Yes." And she right away asked me to call 911.

BALDWIN: Did she explain what had happened to her husband?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's when she said, "My husband's been shot," been shot in the head. And it sent chills down my spine. It changed my mood. I was scared. I went ahead right away and started dialing 911 as she got off the jet ski. She kept explaining to me that all they were doing was taking pictures. They weren't doing anything wrong out there, just taking pictures when. 

Here all the caller is doing is recounting what Tiffany Hartley has told him so he repeated it to the 911 operater.  This is a staged killers dream to have a performance believed by others.  Abusers are masters at manipulating the truth. 


BALDWIN: These three boats come upon them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they went ahead and surrounded them, started waving guns, from what she was telling me. As they started to take off, because they got scared themselves, the bullets start coming in.


Again, a statement from what Tiffany was telling him.  So this is no different than Drew Peterson saying "my wife Stacy ran off with another man," or Josh Powell saying "Susan Powell  just took off and you will have to believe me until you can prove otherwise."  Tiffany Hartley is in my opinion far more elborate and creative then the men we see who committ these crimes.

Stay with me and return for Part 2- Saturday, November 20, 2010

(Susan Murphy Milano is with the Institute for Relational Harm Reduction & Public Pathology  Education.  For more information visit http://www.saferelationships.com/  She is the author of  "Time's Up A Guide on How to Leave and Survive Abusive and Stalking Relationships," available for purchase at the Institute, Amazon.com and wherever books are sold.  Susan is the host of The Susan Murphy Milano Show, "Time's Up!" on http://www.herewomentalk.com/ and is a regular contributor to the nationally syndicated The Roth Show with Dr. Laurie Roth on http://www.therothshow.com/)

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